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Raymond is a senior developer evangelist for Adobe. He focuses on document services, JavaScript, and enterprise cat demos. If you like this article, please consider visiting my Amazon Wishlist or donating via PayPal to show your support. You can even buy me a coffee!

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Archived Comments

Comment 1 by Patrick Heppler posted on 2/24/2012 at 6:10 PM

Thanks for the hint! Sad that they only offer cf10 beta on windows, not on linux :( But I'll give it a try anyway

Comment 2 by Andrew Scott posted on 2/24/2012 at 6:21 PM

I will add that their support and service are excellent, and very competitive pricing as well.

Comment 3 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:16 PM

Not to take this OT (screw it, my blog, my rules), but I love Windows for servers. I just find it easier to manage services.

Comment 4 by Patrick Heppler posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:24 PM

Easier maybe, but also less secure ;) *just flaming*
But if windows, then only with Apache. Never ever IIS.

Comment 5 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:27 PM

I will admit to using IIS for this server, but that's how Edgeweb set it up. I much prefer Apache (RIAForge uses Apache).

Comment 6 by Andrew Scott posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:31 PM

Ray not sure what you mean by your comment, but I host with Hostek for a number of sites on their CF 9 windows hosting packages.

Comment 7 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:36 PM

Eh? I was just talking about how I prefer Apache too. Nothing more. :)

Comment 8 by Raf posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:41 PM

Thanks Ray! Awesome find!

Comment 9 by Andrew Scott posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:41 PM

Well that is what I was wondering, your reply at the top right after mine, I got the impression that maybe you thought Hostek didn't do windows hosting :-)

Comment 10 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:42 PM

@Andrew: Nah...

Comment 11 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/24/2012 at 7:42 PM

@Raf: Heh, well, they contacted me, so not much of a find. ;)

Comment 12 by Phillip Senn posted on 2/24/2012 at 9:12 PM

Oh darn. Hostmediauk sponsors the cfhour podcast, so I was hoping they would have a cf10 beta preview. Maybe I'll wait a week and see if they come up with the same agreement as hostek. Nothing against any other provider - I'm just looking for a reason to do business with the show's sponsor.

Comment 13 by Simon Romanski posted on 2/26/2012 at 4:29 AM

Why do they ask for a credit card number when it's free to evaluate? Also, it's not clear what the evaluation terms are.

Comment 14 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/26/2012 at 8:32 PM

Got me. I do know many services do this.

Comment 15 by Michael Appenzellar posted on 2/29/2012 at 6:04 AM

Depressed to find out that cf10 still has the same old extjs 3.1 for grids, etc.

Comment 16 by Raymond Camden posted on 2/29/2012 at 7:29 AM

I say if you know it's even Ext, you probably aren't the audience for the grids. These UI controls work great for folks who don't know how to use frameworks like Ext and jQuery UI.

Comment 17 by Andrew Scott posted on 2/29/2012 at 7:39 AM

On top of what Ray added, and Ray you may need to confirm this with CF 10.

But in CF 9 you are free to download and use the next version of ExtJS, as the ColdFusion license allows for it. Publicly stated by Adam when he was the project manager.

Now CF 10 maybe different, and the license might not cover ExtJS 4+ but it would be nice to know if it does?

Secondly as Ray as indicated if you know its ExtJS, it is not hard to create your own widgets, as I have dont and written tags to mimic the cfgrid tags as closely as possible. But it gives me more control over what the grid can and can't do, where as CF is very limited in some areas.

Comment 18 by Nick Eiden posted on 9/14/2012 at 6:14 PM

@Andrew/Ray - Trying to decide on CF9 or CF10 for a new project. Does CF10's ExtJS license allow me to use ExtJS 4+?

Comment 19 by Raymond Camden posted on 9/14/2012 at 6:18 PM

From what I see, CF10 is using Ext 3.1.0.

Comment 20 by Andrew Scott posted on 9/14/2012 at 9:01 PM

@Nick, I am not sure to be honest with you. Maybe Ray can ask someone. Adam when product manager stated, that the license with ColdFusion covered upgrades and future versions, for ExtJS.

But there has been very little stated since ExtJS went to version 4.

Comment 21 by Nick Eiden posted on 9/14/2012 at 10:33 PM

@Ray - Yeah I guess it's more of a licensing question. I tend not to use any coldfusion tags that inject javascript to the page i.e cfform/cfgrid etc.

So I am wondering if I am licensed download and use ExtJS 4 by way of owning CF 10.

Comment 22 by Raymond Camden posted on 9/14/2012 at 11:18 PM

I've asked someone internal to take a look.

Comment 23 by Nick Eiden posted on 9/15/2012 at 12:13 AM

awesome thank you

Comment 24 by Nick Eiden posted on 9/24/2012 at 9:38 PM

Posting my findings in case anyone else has a similar question in the future...

I checked with Ted Driscoll, Vice President, Worldwide Sales at Sencha in search of a definitive answer on this topic and conversation went as follows:

Can I use Ext JS on a non CF application by virtue of owning a copy of CF?

"No, you do not have those rights, you have no rights to Ext JS outside of coldfusuon. It can only be used with CF."

By virtue of owning CF 10 would I be allowed to download Ext JS 4.x and manually include it in my commercial CF 10 applications by intentionally avoiding the use of any CF tags that use Ext JS 3.x?

"No, you do not have rights to Ext JS V4"

Bummer, but at least I have my answer and can proceed.